AV: Armen Victorian
OS: Omond Solandt
OS: Hello
AV: Dr. Solandt
OS: Yes?
AV: This is Dr.
Victorian from England.
OS:
Doctor?
AV: Victorian
OS: Yes?
AV: I spoke to you a while ago if you recall.
OS: I don’t recall.
I am sorry.
AV: Yes. I called you
around a month or so ago. That doesn’t matter
Doctor
OS: What was the call about?
AV: It was at the time about the MKUltra
Projects.
OS: I think it sounds like some sort of
misunderstanding. It doesn’t ring a bell with
me.
AV: It was about MKDelta. It was about a
kind of work Dr. Cameron did.
OS: Oh Yes. I am sorry. It is beginning to
come back to me. Ah Yes.
AV: That is right. I have in my possession
documents about a person who had electrodes in his
head.
OS: Have you?
AV: Yes. I have the
actual x-rays that the man has sent me. He still
has three of them in his head.
OS: Well. I’ll be
damned. I did not even know about that. See, as I
told you before. I had nothing directly to do with
Dr. Cameron’s work at all.
AV: Anyway the past is
past. But, I thought to let you know that these
things are still bothering people after all these
years. Dr. Solandt, I am going to ask you about
something entirely different. I am going to ask
you about Wilbert Smith.
OS: Y.E.S?
AV: And the work that
he did, and at that time you were his boss.
OS: No, I was never
his boss. He never worked for me.
AV: He never reported
to you anything about his work?
OS: Well, I knew about
his work. This is when I was Chairman of Defense
Research Board. He was very keen with
communicating with outer space. He came to the
Defense research Board to seek help for his work
for looking for these signals, and we gave him
some help, but it was entirely passive. We had a
place in the country that we had chosen for this.
Fairly close for radio research. We allowed him to
use it, as I recall. It was a long time ago. We
allowed him to use a small building we had there.
It was only like a garage.
AV: Did he have any
result with his work?
OS: No.
AV: I understand in
one instance, when it was a bit foggy, he managed
to register something on his equipment.
OS: Not that I ever
heard of.
AV: Oh, but you were
aware at the time that the Americans were doing
some serious research on the same subject?
OS: Ah . . .not that
they were doing any work on it. They were watching
it very carefully, as far as I knew.
AV: Especially Van
Bush.
OS: Well, I was about
to say . . .I got my information from Van Bush. At
that time we used to see him a couple of times
during the year, and that was a subject we
sometimes discussed. But we never did any joint
work on it.
AV: Did he ever tell
you what were their latest findings?
OS: Smith?
AV: No. Van Bush.
OS: Well, as far as I
know, they had no findings other than those, which
appeared. What was the name of the head of the
Bureau of Standards? Wrote for it . . .before the
American Government. No I know there are continual
references to secret American work, but I
certainly did not know of it.
AV: I see. Do you
think in the position that you were in at the
time, and the relationship that your government
had with the Americans, that the Americans would
have been prepared to share, as you referred to?
That category of work? I mean work which
was very secretive or above top secret with you?
OS: They certainly
would have, if we had shown interest in it and the
need to know. We have shared some above top-secret
information. This is not exactly what we regard as
being very important.
AV: Was there any
interest there on your part?
OS: NO.
AV: This question
might sound a little out on context, but I would
try to phrase it in the best possible way. Was
there any pressure or briefing from your more
secret rank? I mean above your level at the time,
to ask you to find out what the Americans are up
to in those particular subjects, the UFOs?
OS: None at all.
AV: Did you have any interest
yourself?
OS: No, well, I had
just a watching interest. I personally never saw
any evidence of extraterrestrial, either machines
or communications. But we kept an open mind. We
did not see any great importance for actively
trying to find out if there is anything of that
kind.
AV: How about Dr. Eric
Walker? Does that name ring a bell with you?
OS: Oh yes, I knew
him. Not terribly well, but fairly well.
AV: Would you think
that he is a credible person, or was a credible
person at the time? Would he have held an office
that would have had access to that type of
information?
OS: Oh, he was a
credible person, and I think he would have had
access – yes.
AV: OK. What would you
say if I told you Doctor that I have phoned Dr.
Eric Walker, and that in his own words, he said
that yes they did work on crashed saucers. Yes,
they did have pathological report on the entities
etc. etc.
OS: Well I would be
very surprised. I would like to talk to Dr.
Walker. I do not know if he is still alive.
AV: He is still alive,
and I can give you his number if you want.
OS: No, I don’t want
thanks. I am 82 now and in poor health.
AV: In am sorry to
hear that. But I can assure you that I have his
confirmation on a very serious note through
several conversations that I have had with Eric so
far.
OS: Yes.
AV: That he has
confirmed. In one particular instance when I asked
him did we learn anything from them, his answer
was short, sharp and to the point. “Sure”.
That was his word.
OS: Well I find it
very interesting, but I am not going to do
anything about it.
AV: I understand
Doctor. Could you do me a favor please? Could you
please give me some of the names of the boys who
were working with Dr. Walker at the time in the
same office, together with Van Bush?
OS: No I could not. I
never worked in that office. I only occasionally
met them, when they came up here.
AV: What was their
opinion about Wilbert Smith? Do you think if they
have had that information they would have shared
it with Wilbert, or would they have come through
authorities higher than Wilbert like yourself in
order to share it?
OS: I think, probably
they would not have shared it, unless we would
have shown an interest in it.
AV: Did Wilbert ever
push you, via another office in order to have
access to higher-ranking information, on a need to
know basis?
OS: In Defense, there
was not really any higher body except the
minister. I was at the top of the Defense research
organization, at the same rank as the Chefs of
Staff. The Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces was
a member of the Chiefs of Staff Committee. I
cannot be sure whether any of the Armed Forces had
any communication with hi. That I would not know
about.
AV: Would you say
Doctor that Wilbert Smith had some sort of
suspicion at the time, that the Americans had the
material that he was desperately looking for?
OS: Oh, I think that
he always had this feeling that he was being held
back from them. Everywhere that is typical of
people in this field.
AV: And would you not
say that in a sense he was the cause for his own
downfall, because he shared some of his
information with some people. One particular
person for example that he should not have shared
– Maj. Keyhoe at the time?
OS: I don’t see that
sharing information did any harm.
AV: In a sense that I
the Americans wanted, or had in their minds in the
future to share that information with him, since
they knew that he was doing some work. Since they
noticed that he had spread the word around with
someone like Keyhoe, they decided not to proceed.
OS: I do not know.
See, I feel that if information of this kind
really existed, and had been in existence, now
that after 20 odds years it would have spread
around somehow. Or, if there would have been other
examples, or if there were landings, that Eric
walker was involved, and why have there not been
others since?
AV: Well, there have
been others since. In fact I am in touch with one
such person, whose credentials are impeccable, but
this is not the point. I totally agree with you,
but then again since you held that high office.
Therefore you are also quite familiar that there
are areas of information that would never become
public. It is so much compartmented that if you
even get a piece of the jigsaw that it does not
mean much anyway. Don’t you agree with me?
OS:
No, not really. I think all this
compartmentalization only lasts for a few years.
Then it starts to disintegrate, if the
information’s of real importance.
AV: I see.
OS: That is just a
personal view.
AV: But the situation
in the US government is even tighter than those
years, back in the 40s or circa 50s. It is much
tighter now.
OS: It is?
AV: Much much tighter.
OS: Good luck with
what you are digging.
AV: I try my best. You
have been of great help, and I thank you.
OS: Not much.
AV: Doctor, look after yourself, bye.
OS: Bye.