Kevin Randle Drops Kaufman as Roswell Witness

When the subject of Kevin Randle dropping one of his key Roswell witnesses Frank Kaufman was raised on the UFO Updates mailing list, Randle posted a note saying "The whole story will be laid out in the next issue of IUR and a version should be up any day now on the CUFOS website."

Here’s a hint of what will be in that article. Kevin Randle revealed the information during an interview with by Errol Bruce-Knapp on the November 23 Radio show "Strange Days . . Indeed."

Knapp: I need to ask you as a couple of people have asked us when they discovered that you were going to be on the program. As Joe Stefula put it on Project 1947 today, “Why is Kevin Randle pulling the plug on the late Frank Kaufman, his main source for the alien bodies story?  

Randle: Frankly, we discovered that Frank Kaufman couldn’t be trusted. That’s the long and the short of it. When we began the investigation, we went and found Frank Kaufman. It wasn’t that Frank Kaufman came forward with this incredible tale. We went and talked to Frank Kaufman. He provided us with – in the beginning – limited information, and as we got to know him he expanded it and expanded it.  

Now, as we continued the investigation there were some serendipitous corroborations of what Frank had to say. As a minor example, William Woody, who saw an object in the sky fall down. Now if we go back to the original convention wisdom that the crash took place on the evening of July 2nd, and the military cordon went up on July 8th - what we have is Woody and his father seeing this event on a Wednesday night, and going out to look for it the following Tuesday. 

But if we plug in Frank Kaufman, then it falls on a Friday night, and Woody and his father go out the next day to look for it, and it made more sense to me that way. A very minor and subtle corroboration of what Frank Kaufman said, but there were a number of those sorts of things. As he told us more we began to learn more about him. 

Unfortunately, we have discovered that Frank Kaufman was making it up as he went along. For example, Don Schmitt said that Frank Kaufman had said that “He (Kaufman) had been a Colonel.” 

Kaufman never said anything like that to me, but he did mention to me that he had been a Master Sergeant, that he had been promoted to Master Sergeant, the highest of the enlisted grades. When we found documentation we found that Kaufman had never risen above Staff Sergeant. We found documentation that he had altered to prove that he had been a Master Sergeant. This does not speak well for the credibility of the man. 

We found other documents as well that he had altered. Given that and the fact that we found the names of the nine people – he claimed that there were nine people involved in the investigation – the core of nine people that had come in from Washington D.C. We found those nine names in his documentation and of course they weren’t anybody that he claimed they were. They were not the well-trained highly specialized group that he claimed them to be. 

After News Break 

Knapp: We were talking about Frank Kaufman, before the news Kevin. There was mention there (SciFi Roswell special) of bodies. Does that negate the various stories that a lot of us have heard about bodies that were discovered at the crash site outside of Roswell, New Mexico. 

Randle: All it really does is negate Frank Kaufman. Edwin Easley. Even though he was very circumspect in what he said – very reticent to talk about what he had seen motioned briefly creatures. So Edwin easily, who I have always considered as one of the better witnesses, even though getting information from him was akin to pulling teeth. He did indicate that sort of thing. Edwin Easley told me flat out that it was extraterrestrial. Here was a guy who was in a position to know. There are other hints of bodies, but the testimony we have that took us directly to bodies – the best testimony we had was from people like Frank Kaufman, and that’s been eliminated now. All we have done is clarify the situation by being able to eliminate his stories from the mix. It sort of puts us in the position that we cannot be as confident as we were about what the bodies looked like, and how many there were, or where they were found. We still have information that leads us in that direction. It’s just not as robust as it had been.