Re: FW: Norman Baker MP on swine flu vaccines


Date: 2009-08-09 20:36:49

here in the US we are in a continual state of emergency.   In a message dated 8/8/2009 4:49:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ad.johnson@ntlworld…. writes:     Currently, it sounds like WHO do not have authority in UK or USA to impose mandatory vaccination, but Norman Baker does mention the (UK) Civil Contingencies Act Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:45:44 +0100Subject: Norman Baker MP on swine flu vaccinesFrom: info@changingtimes. org.ukTo: info@changingtimes. org.ukDear Friends,I am distributing this email around friends, colleagues and interested parties, as many of us are concerned about the possibility of mandatory swine flu vaccinations being introduced in the UK.I am lucky enough to have Norman Baker as my MP (for Lewes, Lib Dem), who has tirelessly campaigned for Parliamentary reform and has helped exposed some of the suspicious mysteries surrounding the death of UN weapons inspector David Kelly.Concerned about the swine flu situation, I emailed Norman to clarify what could and couldn’t be done to us without our permission.  My email and his helpful reply follow below.  The basics are that the World Health Organisation does NOT have any power to impose a global mandatory vaccination programme (as some sources are saying).  The UK government itself could impose one if it chose, but Norman believes that this is unlikely.  Even if it were attempted, it would almost certainly be obstructed through the Human Rights Act.  However, restrictions on social movement could be introduced for those who remained unvaccinated amidst a major epidemic, although Norman thinks this is still ‘very unlikely’.  The good news is that Norman categorically states that he would oppose any attempt to ‘make vaccinations compulsory’ – so concerned parties have one champion in the UK Parliament, at least, should a worst-case scenario emerge.  Read on for the details.Norman has said he is happy for this information to be distributed as necessary, so please pass it on if you feel it is important.Andy Thomaswww.changingtimes.[Andy is the author of the new book ‘The Truth Agenda’, published July 2009, which gives a broad overview and accessible analysis of the global control programme – online ordering will soon be available (from mid-August 2009) at: www.vitalsignspubli uk]*MY EMAIL TO NORMAN BAKER MP (3/8/09):———— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— –(slightly edited to remove personal references)Dear Norman,Many of us in the so-called ‘alternative’ community are becoming increasingly worried about the growing talk of mandatory swine flu vaccines being introduced, should an epidemic take serious hold.  Enforced vaccination is something that many of us would seriously object to, as we already have general concerns about both the safety and the science of immunisation as currently practiced.I know that you hold many concerns about health and environmental matters – and the freedom to choose – and, in your capacity as my MP, I would be very interested to hear your view on the following:1)  Is it true that the World Health Organisation can override sovereign laws and enforce mandatory worldwide vaccination programmes if it so chooses?  If so, do you think this is likely to happen? 2)  If the WHO cannot enforce this, is it still the case that the British government itself can decide to implement a mandatory programme?  Would this be likely to happen?3)  If a mandatory policy was to be introduced, what would be our rights in law to resist vaccinations for us and our children?I would be very interested in your comments, as there is currently much fear and paranoia around the swine flu subject in general.I look forward to hearing from you.Best wishes,Andy Thomas *NORMAN BAKER’S REPLY (4/8/09):———— ——— ——— ——— ——-(Sent to me by post under a House of Commons letterhead – I have accurately retyped the text here, removing only personal references)Dear Andy,Thank you for taking the time to contact my office with regards to mandatory vaccinations in light of the Swine Flu pandemic.  I had my caseworker speak to the House of Commons specialist, Dr Gavin Colthart, about this and I can now respond to the questions you raised.Dr Colthart stated explicitly that the World Health Organisation (WHO) has no power to overrule sovereign laws and enforce a mandatory vaccination programme for any country.  He added that part of the WHO’s success has been the fact that it is merely an advisory body and, while pressure can be exerted in the form of disapproval from other countries, if one country decides not to implement its recommendations, there is nothing to force a country to conform with the views that the WHO holds.With regards to the government implementing compulsory vaccinations, Dr Colthart stated that this may be possible.  However, the Human Rights Act and further protections under the Universal Direction of Human Rights would probably prevent such a policy being successfully pursued.  What is more likely, although still very unlikely, is that the government could, potentially, impose restrictions on the movement of those who refused vaccination, such as preventing them from attending schools or public events.The Civil Contingencies Act 2004 outlines the government’s ability to create emergency powers and “allows for the making of temporary special legislation (emergency regulations) to help deal with the most serious of emergencies”.  The Act does have far reaching powers.  However, they would be subject to Parliamentary approval, and I can assure you that I, for one, would oppose proposals which aimed to, in all words, make vaccinations compulsory.  I suspect that my Lib Dem colleagues would also share this view.If such a law passed, initially, there would be no rights to resist it as it would be law.  However, it would be my assumption that a case would be brought by an individual fairly swiftly to the courts on the basis of violations of human rights.  Whether such a case would succeed is not something I could speculate on, although I would have thought that there would be some strong public support for the individual and I would think that the case would be fairly strong in regards to a violation of human rights.I hope that this is helpful.Yours sincerelyNorman Baker MP Windows Live Messenger: Thanks for 10 great years—enjoy free winks and emoticons. 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