Read from the bottom up – not much else needs to be said – not even worth writing up!
If you read the text you will catch him lying. I did NOT to refuse to "debate" with a scientist at all – I refused to be involved with Wieck – what a liar!
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From: <info@checktheevidenc…>
Date: 26 February 2013 00:03
Subject: Contact from CheckEv
To: info@checktheevidenc…,
From: <info@checktheevidenc…>
Date: 26 February 2013 00:03
Subject: Contact from CheckEv
To: info@checktheevidenc…,
Below is your request/order. It was submitted by verizon.net at 00:03:49 26-Feb-2013
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Recipient: info@checktheevidenc…
Message text: Dear Fraud,
Your cowardly evasion of my invitation to present your rubbish to a real scientist will make the rounds. Thanks!
RW
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—–Original Message—–
From: Ronald Wieck [mailto: @verizon.net]
Sent: 25 February 2013 20:17
Subject: RE: WTC Missing Debris
Ah, another forensic triumph for your cult! In the meantime, my shows are readily available. I have NEVER been rude to a guest and no conspiracy fraud has ever caught me telling a lie. You won’t be the first.
Of course I regard the deranged Judy Wood’s ravings as nonsense. There isn’t a scientist alive who doesn’t dismiss her as a crackpot. If you were serious about defending her, you would leap at the opportunity to confront Mackey. I will not waste an entire show preparing the audience for your appearance (which you have no intention of making). Come on and exhibit any images you like. You will not be restricted in any way.
RW
—–Original Message—–
From: Andrew Johnson [mailto:ad.johnson@ntlworld….]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 3:05 PM
To: ‘Ronald Wieck’
Subject: RE: WTC Missing Debris
Mr Wieck,
You amuse me:
You say
> I host the show and
> never abuse my guests.
Then you say:
> Of course you have no intention of parading your lunacy in front of
Please read ALL of our correspondence on your show out to your audience INCLUDING this. Send me the recording. Then, the week after, I will come on with a scientist of your choice. Show the image I sent you.
Notice, I was not rude to you. You were rude to me and therefore lied – so my characterisation was correct all along.
QED.
Good luck.
Andrew Johnson
UK
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Ronald Wieck [mailto:@verizon.net]
> Sent: 25 February 2013 20:00
> To: ad.johnson@ntlworld….
> Subject: RE: WTC Missing Debris
>
> Your transparent evasion has been noted. I host the show and never
> abuse my guests. The proposal is that you debate Ryan Mackey. Of
> course you have no intention of parading your lunacy in front of a
> real scientist or you would not waste years infesting the bowels of
> the internet preaching to uncritical zombies without ever making
> contact with reality.
> I have responded accurately and devastatingly to all of your nonsense.
> I defy you to show me something I have ignored.
>
> To cross all the t’s and dot all the i’s, I extend the same offer to
> you that shamed the fraud Richard Gage into his disastrous encounter
> with Mark Roberts. I will step aside and provide you with a host who
> is himself a twoofer. Your terror at dealing with Big Bad me need not
> prevent you from revealing Da Twoof to a breathless world.
>
> You will now run away, tail between your legs. Your track record is
> quite clear.
>
> RW
>
> —–Original Message—–
> From: Andrew Johnson [mailto:ad.johnson@ntlworld….]
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:24 PM
> To: ‘Ronald Wieck’
> Subject: RE: WTC Missing Debris
>
> Hello,
>
> Sorry, I didn’t realise it was Mr Wieck writing. Please review our
> earlier correspondence – you’ve never responded accurately to any
> points raised – and this includes what I just sent.
>
> I have absolutely no trust in you whatsoever. I would consider talking
> to Ryan Mackey without your interference, however so you can extend
> this invitation to him and then we can see what happens – but it’s
> probably far too late for that now.
>
> However, your involvement would mean there was nothing useful to be
> gained from any discussion – your track record is quite clear.
>
> Regards
>
> Andrew Johnson
>
>
>
>
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: Ronald Wieck [mailto:@verizon.net]
> > Sent: 25 February 2013 17:32
> > To: ad.johnson@ntlworld….
> > Subject: RE: WTC Missing Debris
> >
> > I’d be happy to have you appear on ‘Hardfire’ opposite NASA
> scientist
> > Ryan Mackey. I have provided links to Mackey’s three-part
> lecture on
> > the physics of 9/11. There is nothing "problematic" about the
> > seemingly endless caravan of trucks removing debris from
> Ground Zero.
> > We New Yorkers walked by the mountains of twisted steel and
> saw them
> > with our own eyes. As you know, Wood’s frivolous lawsuit
> was laughed
> > out of court.
> >
> > I look forward to your participation in an open, objective
> debate on
> > the physical evidence of the collapses of the twin towers and WTC 7.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ron Wieck
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > —–Original Message—–
> > From: Andrew Johnson [mailto:ad.johnson@ntlworld….]
> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 5:09 AM
> > To: @verizon.net
> > Subject: RE: WTC Missing Debris
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > Sorry you are offended by what is on my website. I can talk
> to a NASA
> > scientist, if he or she is open to looking at the evidence.
> >
> > I am not illiterate in science – I have a degree in
> Computer Science
> > and Physics and currently work part time for the [Contact Me Ref-1].
> >
> > So, if you or your associates want to talk about the actual
> evidence –
> > great, if you want to be rude and insulting there’s not
> much point in
> > talking. I would talk to anyone who is willing to state
> their name and
> > position and not be rude and insulting. If it can be recorded and
> > posted, even better (I have a Skype recorder, for example).
> >
> > Back to your point, if you can provide receipts or photos of the
> > trucks or ships full of debris, I’d love to see them.
> > However, this is a bit problematic – as shown in this photo
> (there are
> > a couple of videos too)
> >
> >
> > You can see WTC 7 in the background. So where did the building go
> > before about 5:20 in the evening.
> >
> > A few photos here too:
> >
> >
> > You can only really talk about the actual weaponry once an accurate
> > picture of what happened is established. Be aware that several
> > thousand copies of Dr Judy Wood’s forensic study are in circulation
> > (some of this was submitted to court in a science fraud case in
> > 2007-2009)
> >
> >
> > Also, there are thousands of DVDs are now in circulation.
> In case you
> > weren’t aware, Dr Wood and myself were invited to speak in
> Holland in
> > Nov 2012. There is a good video of her presentations now
> posted here:
> >
> >
> > or here:
> >
> >
> >
> > Usually, when I get somewhat rude emails like yours, the
> person does
> > not give their email address. However, I thought it was
> worth saying
> > that I get quite a few messages like the one below – this
> particular
> > one is from someone who went to the WTC site following the
> > disappearance of the buildings. Dr Wood and myself get some
> messages
> > from people who are grateful that someone has figured out what
> > actually happened.
> >
> > Best Wishes
> >
> > Andrew Johnson
> > UK
> > ===================================================
> > From:
> > Sent: 05 November 2012 06:08
> > To: ad.johnson@ntlworld….
> > Subject: On Your Book
> >
> >
> > Dear Mr. Johnson;
> >
> > It is a little surreal contacting you now because I am currently
> > watching your interview with Richard Hall on youtube. I had
> contacted
> > Dr. Wood today to apologize for dismissing here work by judging her
> > book cover. Literally, I would be looking for books on 911
> and having
> > read everything I would constantly see her book and skip past it
> > because it seemed ridiculous. About a week ago I was
> researching books
> > on my Kindle and came across your book and downloaded it
> but gave it
> > no thought, it was inexpensive and I figured it was worth a look.
> > Hurricane Sandy hit us and we in Connecticut were out of
> power for a
> > week and the only reading material I had was your book. I only read
> > the first 10% when the power came back last night and I was
> intrigued
> > by the story of Dr. Wood and your description of the
> attacks upon her
> > so the first thing I did with the reappearance of the
> internet was the
> > sites you suggested. I watched a video of her presentation
> and almost
> > immediately was struck by the evidence and logic of the case.
> > Needless to
> > say I stopped everything and ordered a copy of her book and
> spent all
> > last night watching her present and be interviewed, six
> hours in all.
> > I also was struck by how foolish I had been, blind and ignorant. I
> > found a contact for her, and not really believing I would
> reach her, I
> > sent an open apology for my ignorance. She was very gracious and
> > contacted me back. I just sat at my computer to get a hard copy of
> > your book (Richard Hall held up a copy) and I wanted it for my
> > library, when I saw her response in which she gave me your
> e-mail and
> > suggest I write you and thank you for opening my eyes.
> >
> >
> >
> > My original e-mail to Dr. Wood was a rambling mess because, as I
> > explained to her, I had been up all night watching youtube video’s
> > about the case for free energy and between that and the mental
> > paradigm shift my thoughts are reeling, its only been 12
> hours since
> > this I was introduced to this concept.
> > On 9/11 I was a history teacher and life long New Yorker and as the
> > events unfolded that morning I turned to my wife and said
> the world as
> > we know it id over, we are entering a new age. I was
> obsessed and made
> > my way to ground zero. My brother was a NYC —— and I
> > called him and on Sept.
> > 13th we made our way to the site. Every attempt was foiled
> by military
> > road blocks and even his —- badge could gain us access
> to ground
> > zero. We noticed that Verizon telephone company vans were streaming
> > south into lower Manhattan and being waved through the road
> blocks so
> > we he stopped one above
> > 14 street and flashed his badge and the driver let us ride in the
> > back.
> > There were no windows and when the van stopped we jumped out and it
> > was a bout two blocks from the towers. I say that because
> we had both
> > spent a lot of time in the area, my brother was stationed at a
> > precinct on Vessey and we often hung out in the plaza between the
> > towers. When we got out of the van it was like setting foot on the
> > moon. The whole world was grey and coated in dust, like a black and
> > white film. We walked towards a bright light but had no sense of
> > direction or orientation. We rounded a corner and there stood that
> > iconic frame of the tower outer skin but nothing else.
> > We could not
> > figure out where we were, we started looking for land marks.
> > My brother had
> > worked here for many years, literally in the shadow of the
> tower and
> > to watch him spinning around trying to get his bearings,
> "wait there’s
> > the church, the Verizon building there, that’s north, this
> is it they
> > should be there." We assumed we were blocks from the site
> of where the
> > towers came to rest, the very beginning of the debris
> field. All these
> > burned up hulks of vehicles tossed around, piled on each
> other like a
> > kids toys.
> > We assumed
> > they had been towed from the site, but this was the site
> and they were
> > only looking for victims at this point, walking through the debris
> > with dogs. It was an alien planet and nothing made sense,
> not just the
> > shock of having been the victim of a terrorist attack and the great
> > loss of life, the whole scene was surreal. We found a giant
> tent with
> > hundreds of Doctor’s, EMT’s, Fireman and all were sitting around
> > eating all this catered food. Our compulsion to get to
> ground zero was
> > to help, save people, do something.
> > Eventually we did what everyone else did, we pulled out
> some folding
> > chairs in front of the Millennium Hotel and watched rescue workers
> > with dogs going around the site looking for victims, and
> all the while
> > we ate from the flood of food every restaurant in Manhattan was
> > sending to ground zero to fuel the rescue effort. I walked into the
> > hotel and walked through a restaurant with the tables were
> still set
> > with plates and even water glasses half full, perfectly set but
> > everything covered in silk. It felt like we had descended to the
> > titanic, and saw life frozen in those last second. We walked all
> > around the site and I came to a book store in one of the WTC
> > buildings, a Boarder’s Bookstore and although some of the
> shelves were
> > leaning over, most were up right and the majority of the books were
> > still organized of the shelves. I remember the cars and wondering
> > where they had come from, I was very familiar with the
> plaza and still
> > thought they had to have been dragged out from some where
> and piled on
> > each other and the fire trucks. I could not figure out why
> they lined
> > up all the burned fire trucks, why someone had taken the
> time to move
> > the burned cars and fire trucks out to the edge of the
> debris and flip
> > them over. The fire trucks were burned only on the top half and all
> > the equipment doors were open and the equipment was tossed out.
> > It reminded me of when my daughter would go through her dresser
> > drawers and tossing her clothes out looking for some particular
> > article of clothes. The other thing I saw was piles of air tanks,
> > those yellow tanks they wear on their backs, piled in a pyramids on
> > the side walk at different locations. I am sorry for the disjointed
> > narrative but as I watched Dr. Wood’s presentation these
> images came
> > back and started to coalesce and fit and emerge as a some
> what clearer
> > picture or understanding. We walked around for a few hours lost and
> > then it started to rain and I just started walking north to
> Midtown.
> > When I got home I never watched or read one single thing
> about 9/11. I
> > voted for Bush twice and supported the war.
> > Then in 2009 I saw
> > a commercial for families of the victims of 9/11 and all
> they wanted
> > to know was what happened to Building 7. I had know idea
> what Building
> > 7 was and why the families of the victims wanted to know
> about it. I
> > went on youtube for the first time and found out, saw loose change,
> > Stephen Jones and felt like my insides were ripped out,
> enraged, lied
> > to, inside job, thermite, Griffin, Marrs, Tarplay, Jones, thermate,
> > sulphur, freefall, false flag, bush, chaney, pentagon, plane site.
> > Then Friday night I open a book on my kindle related to 911 but it
> > starts as a defense of Dr. Judy Wood?
> > Oh, that book I
> > kept seeing when I was looking for real books on what actually
> > happened on 9/11. What is so threatening about her ideas that all
> > these people I respect, who know what it means to be attacked for
> > alternate theories.
> > Hurricane Sandy is over, my power returns, internet is on
> again, what
> > was that site Andrew Johnson mentioned, Where are the Towers.net?
> > Disbelief,
> > outrage, mislead petty politics, ad hominem attack, Her work is
> > scientific, fact based and irrefutable I have been a fool,
> again. I am
> > a nobody, stay at home Dad, high school history teacher, everyone
> > thinks I am a conspiracy nut who’s whole wardrobe revolves
> around 911
> > truth, investigate, real patriots are on watch lists,
> Voltaire quotes.
> > But despite all this the first thing is I must send Dr. Wood an
> > apology and thank the man who opened my eyes. I think that
> catches me
> > up to this e-mail. I never intended to write this narrative
> but I have
> > not thought of it since Sept. 13, 2001 and never told it to
> anyone and
> > then I find the two people in the world who might understand my
> > strange observations. I see it is 1 am and officially 24
> hours since I
> > started this trip, which in all likelihood will consume the next 10
> > years of my life. I do not know weather to than you or
> curse you. Life
> > was much easier when the President told the truth and fossil fuels
> > were the height of energy technology. I do thank you, I
> need truth and
> > reality, any other life is not worth living. I will leave
> off for now,
> > I want to finish your book, await the arrival of Dr. Wood’s
> book, and
> > rough out a plan for the next decade on how to get this
> information to
> > everyone on the planet.
> > When my thoughts settle and I have a better understanding
> of this new
> > world paradigm I will write again and thank you both properly.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> >
> >
> > > —–Original Message—–
> > > From: info@checktheevidenc…
> > > [mailto:info@checktheevidenc…]
> > > Sent: 25 February 2013 03:02
> > > To: info@checktheevidenc…; @verizon.net
> > > Subject: Contact from CheckEv
> > >
> > > Below is your request/order. It was submitted by
> > > @verizon.net at 03:01:44 25-Feb-2013
> > >
> > > ————————————————————–
> > > ————-
> > >
> > > Recipient: info@checktheevidenc…
> > >
> > > Message text: You are either a science-illiterate or a fraud.
> > > More than 1.5 million tons of debris was hauled away from Ground
> > > Zero over a period of months, including 200,000 tons of
> steel. Judy
> > > Wood’s imaginary weapons can have no conceivable energy
> source. If
> > > you’d care to debate a NASA aerospace scientist on
> ‘Hardfire,’ let
> > > me know. I won’t be holding my breath.
> > >
> > > Char count: 146
> > >
> > > ————————————————————–
> > > ————-
> > >
> > >
> >
>
